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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.09.27 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 27/09/2009 23:56:09
Its a pretty poor show but theres not a lot you can do about it Im pretty sure nobody cares about the people posting in here.
Perhaps if the people who are complaining they want to raise points at FanFest were to actually complain vocally at fanfest, rather then backslapping each other, making beer jokes, comparing Eve Bum bags, at guffawing at awful gags in devs speeches perhaps something might be done for next time.
To be fair though, in all probability (and gathering what we can from the various CSM hints) there will be things in the responses to the issues brought up, which would ruing the "suprise" of the unveiling of other things at fanfest - and thus they want to keep it underwraps.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.10.04 14:46:00 -
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So the fanfest turned out to be a damp squib (information wise) so one wonders whats the big hold up with the much more important minutes
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.10.06 12:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Mynxee
Edited by: Mynxee on 05/10/2009 01:15:01
Could someone on the CSM suggest that the actual DATE be put at the top of the raw logs and the meeting minutes themselves when they are posted? Labeling them using the format "3.008" is decidedly unhelpful and incomplete when you are wondering when exactly the discussion took place.
Good idea
For the meeting minutes we are waiting for, perhaps 14/02/2010 might be an appropriate date
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.10.11 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 11/10/2009 16:24:11
Pertinant Link To Assist
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.10.18 18:20:00 -
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Ive worked it out.
Its the fanfest NEXT year that we have to wait for before getting the mins published.
Even a YES/NO/WAIT FOR DETAILS on each issue would suffice.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.10.22 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 22/10/2009 14:58:18
Born Freeeeee
As Freee as the wind Blowwwwsss
LA LA LA La LA traaaa traaaa
Do Do dodoo dooo doooo
Any chance of someone please getting round to typing up the meeting minutes so we can have a look at the responses. Its kind of part of your job, in fact its arguably 100% of your job. So just do it. DO it.
Indeed, writing up a couple of pages of a4 is payment for that squiffy free jaunt to danmarkesland where you did all those jolly things. Remember that? Where you had those lovely gourmet rolls and were made to feel really important by the devs. Then you had some beers and two of you got tipsy and it was hilarious when bozzer fell out of his seat and the penuts went EVERYWHERE!
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.10.23 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 23/10/2009 15:09:48
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Because the last topics on the agenda were discussed at fanfest and I was waiting for documents from CCP to finish them, I now have them received in my mailbox.
From this post - It appears that this individual is responsible for the results being published, and indeed this was the last post the individual has made on the forums (10th october)
If this person is indeed responsible, we can gather that some event has overtaken his/her eve life and we can only hope it is not a serious one.
Never the less, would some other member of the CSM care to put him or herself forward to take the publication process forward in melissas absence and point us towards the results of the meeting.
Literally a Yes/No answer to each of the points would suffice and would take you what 20 mins.
Or perhaps, as is often the case, once the freebie holiday is out of the way, all enthusiasm for the CSM goes out of the window.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.11.01 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 01/11/2009 18:55:04
In amongst all the VOTE FOR ME garbage of the latest set of free holiday seekers, I feel this thread, and its implied denounciation of the CSM either in organisation, or in communication to its members (with the possible exception of the new dude - Isller) shouldn't be on page two of the forums.
May it at best, embarrass the CSM into activity, and at worst stand as a testimony to the new guys of the perils of entropy and hubris associated with doning the mantle of the CSM
For the umpteeth time of asking, may whomever is responsible for the publishing of the minutes please either post them, or provide a reasonable excuse to the members you represent why they have not been published.
Also It would seem fitting for you to publish an apology for your actions.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.11.05 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 05/11/2009 16:36:09
Originally by: Dr BattleSmith
Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 03/11/2009 23:50:10
Apparently I was a troll when I said how important minutes were to the process and how the community needed them in a timely fashion.
Who knows what the CSM does, they take so long to share their discussions with the people who seed these very discussions that it's past funny.
edit: I'll just point out something.....
Notice how after CSM meetings all the active topics fall off the first page of assembly hall?
Notice how they don't come back for further points/discussion until minutes are relseased?
Notice how this means half of each cycle is wasted?
Indeed a "timely fashion" would be preferable, but failing that some sort of timetable for the notes to be released, and as a bare bottom scraping minimum some sort of semi regular status update.
If its to say "ccp want us to withold the notes untill dominion" then so be it. If its to say "notes have been sent to ccp for final approval but they are incredibly busy at the movement" then this is also fair enough.
This blanket silence (except from a semi cryptic comment from the new guy Issler that he has "seen the notes" - though what this means to the release process nobody knows)) is a disgrace - and should not be allowed to be buried by the plees for votes from the next wave of fanbois, bored housewives, layabout students and paupers seeking free holidays.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.11.06 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 14:59:09
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 14:56:53
Originally by: Resivan
At the very least it would be nice to know if the present delay is on the CSM or CCP side.
The last comment from the CSM secretary was that the minutes had been held up because something needed further discussion at Fanfest. The minutes of the Iceland meeting should be the minutes of the Iceland meeting minus anything CCP isn't willing to release yet. If the response in Iceland is, "We'll talk about this at Fanfest," then the minutes should say "Further discussion to be held at Fanfest." No more, no less. If a supplementary report on what was discussed at Fanfest is needed, generate one when the time is ripe. Don't hold up the Iceland minutes.
The last comment from the person who appeared to be claiming responsibility for the minutes whom to name and shame is
Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
was on the 10th of October in this thread and then silence.
I was concerned that the forum silence and non comment may have indicated that this person may have had real life issues preventing him from posting (in deep depression after being sacked from his high powered job for inability to write up meeting notes, wife leaving him for losing job, in hospital treated for depression due to wife leaving him etc) and thus any complaining on the forums would be inappropriate.
However that poster has since posted a couple of times (on non related issues such as to praise someones combat video) so he/she is obviously active - jut choosing not to respond to this thread.
I also believe that individual is *laugh* SEEKING RE-ELECTION to the CSM.
The last official mention from a CSM memeber on the issue was this from the new guy Issler.
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Well, I've finally seen them, can't say anything specifically except if you are an industrialist you will just break down into uncontrollable weeping.
Issler
Which I appreciate immensely that he has spent the time to post a response, but it doesn't really help the people who voted them in and are trying to work out whats going on.
Perhaps Issler (whom i know monitors this thread) could perhaps attempt to get a status update for us?
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.11.06 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 16:01:11
Edited by: Le Skunk on 06/11/2009 15:58:46
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
minutes were sent to CCP weeks ago. Whenever CCP decides to publish them is not under our control.
Praise be, one of them speaketh.
Seriously though thanks for the response. Its all us mortals have been asking for (for 2 months non the less) and gratefully received.
Ive petitioned CCP and received a very quick and very polite response. Without revealing specific responses (which i believe to be against the forum rules) I can confirm that people are working on it and there is no specific date when they will be ready.
So basically anyone interested has to lump it and wait. Im tempted to go get the new york times article again and launch into a damming tirade about ccp and the csm but of course you all know the ins and outs already.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.11.12 11:48:00 -
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Thanks for getting these notes put up.
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Le Skunk
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Posted - 2009.11.13 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 13/11/2009 12:53:30
In the CSMs defence, to my understanding it was the 20th of August the "unnerf the scanner" post was started and the meeting was on the 4th of september weekend (?) so that makes it under 2 weeks. The fanfest was for clearing up one or two topics already brought up, not for new topics.
That said however the CSM has a strong history of ignoring the most supported topics in the assembly. And CCP have a strong history of vetoing the topics that do manage to get through the CSM filter.
This pundits advice: be patient but dont hold your breath. Work tenaciously at the foundations but do not bang your head against the wall. Watch the perspective and critical analysis of CSM members wilt under the fury of the CCP meet and greet package as they transform into cringing fanbois.
Never give up - and vote ABSTAIN with all your accounts
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